Chrono
Crossed
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| December 2nd, 2011 |
11/23- 12:00PM EST
Welcome to another edition of Q&A! I've
been busy playing a number of games of late,
such as War
in the North, Skyward Sword,
and of course as the title would suggest Chrono Cross.
I really enjoy Chrono Cross, and this
time around I'm trying to use as many weird
characters as possible. Enough about me
though, let's see what you readers have sent
in!
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Good day to you sir.
I was a bit surprised- no, I was shocked,
when you, a respected online journalist,
listed Zelda
as an RPG. You, of all people, should be
quite aware that Zelda is not, not NOT an
RPG, Wheels!
Wheels
Wait,
what prompted this? Including Skyward
Sword in my list of
RPGs I was going to play over
the holidays? Also respected
online journalist? I much
appreciate that comment!
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And no, I won't be swayed by all that "all
games are RPGs" nonsense. The answer, good
sir, lies in the ROOTS of the games. Yes,
that is what it all comes down to- the
roots. True RPGs, from their first gasps of
life, shared the common heritage of the
pen-and-paper RPG. Levelling, random
encounters, the roll-of-the-dice nature of
attack effectiveness... that all stems from
that shared, long-standing heritage. Final Fantasy,
Dragon
Warrior, all the way up to our
modern Lost
Odyssies and such, are part of that
long, storied heritage.
Wheels
Well
except that they aren't all part
of that long storied heritage.
You're forgetting the Action-RPG
genre, many of which were very
much inspired by Zelda,
and yet somehow are RPGs over
Zelda just because standard
leveling mechanics? You're
comparing it to the wrong
heritage of RPGs. Look back at
classics like Secret
of Mana, Ys,
Xanadu and
others, and the issues of Zelda
being an RPG or not
becomes much more muddled. I'm
actually really disappointed
that you completely ignored such
games in this argument. No one
is going to claim Zelda
fits in to the realm of
traditional RPGs, which is the
heritage you're talking about.
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Zelda,
on the other hand, follows a decidedly
different heritage- that is, the roots of
the Adventure game. While many games in the
genre still have a medieval setting, the
mechanics, goals and heritage is so
different!
Wheels
Except
you're missing the big picture,
looking only at what may have
influenced the ORIGINAL Zelda,
not what may have influenced
more modern entries, or how the
Zelda series
has influenced RPGs.
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In a nutshell, to understand Zelda's
heritage, one must ignore for a moment
pen-and-paper RPGs and travel back to the
1970s, to the Atari 2600 and to the most
direct ancestor- that is, a game titled
simply "Adventure". The hallmarks we see in
Zelda
are all there- the nonlinear, mazelike
screen-to-screen world, the player who,
unarmed, quickly finds a sword to strike at
the enemies, the progression-by-item
collection, the lack of stat based
levelling... it's all there, and all
expanded on and modernized with every
iteration of Zelda.
Wheels
Yes,
that's great, it
is all modernized and
expanded...in the original Zelda.
Have you played Skyward
Sword? It is much more
RPG-ish than previous entries.
Also many games, for example, Crystal
Chronicles, feature a
similar lack of typical RPG
features and yet no one has any
issue with them being RPGs,
which s strange. I mean are you
seriously going to tell me that
3D Dot Game Heroes
is an RPG over Zelda
simply because it
features leveling?
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That, my good friend, is why I take
exception to Zelda being called an RPG.
It is an adventure series, a grand adventure
series. Adventure games form a genre that,
in its own right, have cemented themselves
firmly into history, separate from the RPG
genre. RPGs have their Dragon
Warriors, their Final
Fantasies. Please, good sir, let
the Adventure genre have its own hallmark-
let it have its Zelda.
-Shademask
Wheels
Well
the first problem with all of
this, is the genre you're
talking about is Action
Adventure. Zelda
is no King's
Quest sir. Secondly,
why on earth would you take
offense? Its not like I called Uncharted
an RPG. Heck I could start
calling Modern
Warfare 3 an RPG since
it has experience and leveling
which I think you'd like less.
I'll reiterate my opinion on the
matter again to end this
madness: Whether or not Zelda
is an RPG is irrelevant,
because the series influences
and is influenced by RPGs.
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Dear Wheels,
I was wondering about terms like "JRPG" and
the like. How much are we limiting the
industry by putting out the expectation that
American games are like this and Japanese
games are like that? Does this set
expectations that game creators feed into,
inspired by projection of profits? Are
there games that aren't getting made because
a company in either location thinks that it
is improper for them to make a game that
might suit a different setting? Of
course, historically, we've seen games like
Final
Fantasy VIII which are designed
with a western setting in mind (although the
plot gets, excuse my French, "J-RPG-y"
towards the end), but what about the current
generation of RPGs. Is there really
still a divide between east and west, or is
this term fading away, only to be used in a
historical context?
Wheels
I
don't think we limit the
industry that much, since its
not a term actual companies tend
to use, but it certainly has
become almost a pointless term
when talking about games. It
doesn't even mean the same thing
to everyone. Some people apply
JRPG only to traditional RPGs in
the vein of Dragon
Quest and Final
Fantasy. Some use the
literal meaning, as in RPG
developed in Japan. I don't
think the term is useful in
either regard anymore. Does it
matter what region a game was
developed in? Is calling a game
a JRPG because it is similar to
Dragon Quest or
Final Fantasy
useful when the game isn't
Japanese? Though there are still
certain trends that stick to one
region or another, such terms
are not all that useful, and its
not even clear at times what
should deserve such a label.
Would Etrian Odyssey be
a JRPG because it was developed
in Japan, or a WRPG because it
takes from a genre of RPG
originally from the west? These
terms really need to be retired.
Let's en-devour to call RPGs
just RPGs, trying to continue to
use outdated terms doesn't help
anyone. I wouldn't even use it
in a historical context. If
people want a term that
describes games that evolved
from Dragon Quest
and the like, they should come
up with a better term. I know I
use it, but I will now give
myself the goal to stop that.
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Also, what American RPGs are there even
anymore? I have no idea.
<3
Wheels
Well
that's a fine question. We've
got both Bethesda and Obsidian
residing here in the US. Of
course there's many find indie
RPG makers such as Zeboyd, but
those are the only big RPG makes
located in the US that I can
think of. We need more! Oh wait,
I forgot about Snowblind.
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DEAR WHEELS
I have a copy of Chrono Trigger for DS
sitting here that I haven't played.
Actually, I own a lot of games that I
haven't actually played.... but that's not
the point.
Wheels
Of
course that's the point! My word
my good sir, that is the finest
version of Chrono
Trigger available and
you owe it to yourself to go
play it right now. Granted the
new dungeons in the game are
kind of lame, but everything
else about it is awesome. GO GO
GO
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I was wondering; what do you think of the
new translations of old games that have been
trickling out in the last decade? Are you
glad to have your old favorites rendered
salient, or do you prefer your Woolseyisms?
I'm sort of torn between my fond nostalgic
feelings and my desire to read compound
sentences.
Wheels
I
love the new translations. I'm
sure many know of the trials and
tribulations of early
translations, so I think even
Woolsey himself would be fine
with a little reworking, and all
the games I can think of turned
out the better for it. I enjoyed
the old quirks but I much prefer
a nice solid translation, and
I'm sure people playing such
games for the first time do as
well. As long as a new
translation isn't missing the
point ( going for direct
translation instead of
localization) I think it's fine.
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Further, are there any games you'd like to
see receive a do-over translation?
QUESTIONS ASKED.
-Kayma
Wheels
There
are several, and a few series
I'd like completely
re-translated as well. I'd love
to see all the SaGa
games re-translated for example,
as many of those games are very
rough around the edges. I'd love
to see Suikoden II cleaned
up a bit. Speaking of games I'm
playing now, Chrono
Cross can use some
work, as some of the characters
have strange accents that don't
really work. Those would be the
big ones. There's always Arc
Rise Fantastia, which I
think is a fine game cursed by a
cheap localization. Honestly
though, there's plenty of games
that haven't gotten a first
localization, so maybe we should
talk about those next time!
QUESTIONS ANSWERED
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Hey Wheels,
I can't remember if I've written into you
before or not. I wrote in more back in
the Wonderslime days.
Anyhoo, my wife and I went Christmas
shopping today and got me a 3DS and her an
IPod Touch, which she has graciously told me
that she will allow me to put some
downloaded games on. So, I was
wondering, considering that the 3DS and IPod
are the first times that I have had access
to the Nintendo E-Shop and iOS App Store,
respectively, what are the best RPG's
available from either store? Please
also ask other staff members and column
readers to chime in with their suggestions
as well.
Thanks,
Draconn
Wheels
I can't recall either, but
regardless I'm glad to have you
right in!
I'm happy to provide some answers
here, and as readers/staff provide
their own suggestions I'll post
those in future articles. So
readers/staff, please write me in
with your favorite downloadable
games for E-Shop/App Store.
We'll start with the E-Shop, which
doesn't really have a whole lot of
RPGs. I'm going to include some
"RPG-ish" entries, and other good
games just to flesh things out. I'd
start with Gargoyle's Quest,
which is a spin-off from the Ghouls
and Ghosts series. It
plays out like an RPG, with random
battles and dungeons playing out
more like an action games. There's
always Metroid 2, which
is a classic. Shantae
is an absolute must, a great 2D Metroid-ish
game from WayForward. Cave
Story is great as well, but
the actual 3DS version may be
preferable. There's the iPhone to
DSiWare port of Zenonia,
which is pretty good. Finally,
there's From the Abyss
broken up into a few parts. Its not
great, but very cheap and somewhat
fun.
On the App Store front there isn't
much new I can recommend, as
I've mostly been downloading ports
of older games. First and foremost
I'd have to recommend the two Infinity
Blade games, which are an
absolute blast. Dragon
Fantasy is a great take on
classic JRPGs. Wizardry
is also available, which is the same
game and translation XSEED brought
to us on PS3. There's three Zenonia
games which are fun little
Action RPGs. Finally, I'd give 100
Rogues a try, which is a
fun and simple Roguelike (as the
name would imply). Hopefully the
readers/staff will provide even more
suggestions!
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Where the hell are all the RPGs? Did they
die with the PS2 or simplify themselves out
of existence with the succeeding portable
generation, or did the market just dry up?
-TKFlash
Wheels
I don't think the market dried up at
all. Bioware has shown there clearly
is a market for good RPGs out there,
and even Final Fantasy XIII
did very well despite heaps of
criticism. I think the problem is
that most of the RPGs in the PS2 era
came from Japan, and that market is
now buying such games for portables.
There a slew of great portable RPGs
this generation, maybe not as many
as the PS2 library, but still a ton.
Its a shame really, as most good
RPGs that are well marked seem to do
quite well. We certainly have plenty
to cover on RPGamer. So to give you
a simple answer, the RPGs are still
there, just not on the type of
platform they used to be. If there
is a lack, I blame everyone that
didn't buy Valkyria Chronicles
upon its release (which includes
me).
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DEAR WHEELS, I CHANGED MY MIND, THOSE PANTS
DO MAKE YOU LOOK
FAT
-BongoBill
Wheels
HOW COULD YOU BILL, HOW COULD YOU!
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Dear Wheels,
Is Toohoo
an rpg y/y?
-Heron
Wheels
What in the blue heck is Toohoo?
A google search somehow ended me up
at Too Human's wikipedia
page, so I'm going to go ahead and
say YES.
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DEAR WHEELS, YOU CAN NEVER END ME. NOW WE
ARE BFF FOREVER. DOES NEW ZELDA
SUCK OR ROCK? IS IT RPG?
Wheels
The new Zelda is quite
fantastic. So much so, that if it
continues the way its going, I may
start using phrases like "best in
the series". The music is fantastic,
the story is good, and the sword
mechanics using Wii motion plus are
a blast. Motion control isn't
perfect but the issues are
relatively minor. This is a must
play. I'm ignoring your second
question.
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THE JOKE IS IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU
ANSWER, EITHER WAY YOU GET HATEMAIL!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
LOVE,
BEAT
Wheels
Even if I don't answer it? I think I
will not get hate mail if I refuse
to answer it. Unless it happens to
be from you. I suppose that is quite
possible. WE SHALL SEE BEAT, WE
SHALL SEE.
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That's it for this week! Oh no I forgot
Gaijin's letter! This is not good, I think
I'm going to have to send him a letter as
penance.
See you next week!
-Wheels
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