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The Mouse Takes the Cheese
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February 15, 2006
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Matt Demers - 01:44 EST
A FUN THING TO DO if you're deep-frying
something is to wait until the oil is at super-high temperatures (350 degrees or so);
then take a single drop of water and let it fall in. The oil will pop REALLY
loudly, and it's kinda scary; I wouldn't recommend it, because I'm sure there's some
risk involving kitchen fires (assuming you do this in the kitchen).
How would I know this? Well, let's just say that it's best to create confections
by yourself without inviting curious friends along to spectate. That is all.
We shall speak no more about my kitchen misadventures; let's now turn to the
trusty mailbag.
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Emus... and now in the non-bird style
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The World of Emulation
I came to my surprise about your aggressive nature toward the emulation
scene. I find it disconcerting how you categorize the emulation seen as
some type of maverick Pirate Warez group. I believe we need to discuss
about the facts concerning the emulation scene.
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Matt
Uh oh... what have I started!!? More importantly, how do I stop it...?
I wouldn't really say that I'm "aggressive" in nature towards emulation, though
I definitely don't advocate it. Go ahead and take your best shot, though;
I'm open to opposing views.
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Its illegality is based on the downloader and not of those who supply the
digital copy. It has been officially stated by Nintendo that digital backup
copies of originals are allowed. The method to attain a digital back-up
copy has never been detailed thus it is completely LEGAL to download a
digital copy of Tales of Phantasia, as long as you have purchased the
Japanese cart. What the translation groups do to the digital copy is of
course within the grey area. How much control do you have over a product
that is purchased for personal use? If we believe that the translators have
no legal rights to manipulate code, then it would also mean that flashes
containing Nintendo characters or music videos spotlighting anime scenes
would be considered illegal. They of course are not. Anyone who argues
against this point clearly does not have working knowledge of our copyright
laws.
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Matt
Yes, but let's be honest here; how many people actually use emulators and ROMs
as backup copies? I don't have statistics in front of my face, but the huge
majority of emulated-gamers absolutely do not own the original copies in any way,
shape, or form. Clearly, if everyone only downloaded things they owned, emulation
would be a non-issue from the get-go, so I think your back-up point is pretty moot.
There exists absolutely no control over the products you purchase. You can
take a game apart, manipulate all the code you want, or stick it in hot oil, if
that's what tickles your fancy. The illegal part is in actually distributing a
product to others with copyrighted "parts," as it were. While that in and of
itself isn't necessarily the most terrible thing, the manipulation/distribution
becomes more questionable when games like DQV or VI, FFV or III still have
marketable potential. With the number of remakes coming out these days, one
could easily argue that a free copy of DQVI online might take a bite out of the
potential sales of a remake.
Of course, you could look at it in a completely opposite way, which ironically
enough, is what happened to me; it's BECAUSE I played Final Fantasy III, for instance,
that I'm so likely to purchase the remake once it does come out.
I guess there are always two sides to an argument, and while I can see both sides,
I feel like it's a good idea to err on the side of legality, so to speak.
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This community of RPG fanatics grew up with American released RPGs, but if
you notice most people’s top ten list, always contains a SNES Japanese
import. Are we to assume that the majority of these people played them in
their original Cart in Japanese? Maybe, just maybe, they used translated
roms. People always use the excuse that they were in high school, and that
they didn’t know it was illegal; I’m not just referring to Matt, many people
use this excuse. It seems odd to that everyone would never notice a huge
legal agreement contract put on almost every single emulator/rom site. How
can you not know that it’s illegal to download a copy of a non-purchased
product? Just because you were a freshman doesn’t mean you don’t have the
intelligence to know what is legal and not legal to do. It’s a weak excuse,
simple as that.
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Matt
If you're implying that I'm lying, then I'm sorry to inform you that you're
simply incorrect; my friend Ken used to be my emulated-game-supplier, and I
didn't even touch a ROM website for quite a long time after I first discovered
emulation, mostly on account of the fact that our "trusty" dial-up connection
of yore was even more unimaginably slow than it is today. Sure, I probably should
have had a few question marks in my head at first, but my Dragon Warrior III
reunion just put my head in the clouds, I guess.
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We have to be truthful to ourselves and to others, and simply agree that the
emulation scene is what created the huge boom of RPG popularity that we see
nowadays. People talk about how they played such and such domestic release,
but it is those translated ROMs that really brought old school RPGs to the
hands of the younger generation. I don’t know if 13 year olds still play
around with emulators, but their impact has been felt. If it weren’t for
the huge popularity of SNES emulation that occurred in the late 90s and
early 2000’s, Nintendo may have never thought if re-releasing those games
through the Nintendo Revolution.
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Matt
I disagree almost entirely with the first things you said, yet I totally agree
with your last statement.
Firstly, I know that there has been a surge in RPG popularity over the past ten
years in comparison with years prior; however, this is definitely a result of
high-profile releases such as the obvious Final Fantasy VII, though perhaps Chrono
Trigger, Super Mario RPG, and of course, Pokémon helped out too.
The evidence for this is clear to me... while people like you and I might be
longtime RPGamers, there are just too many PSX-generation FF fanpeople out there. I've
said it before and I'll say it again; a very large number of people simply refuse to
try playing anything pre-FFVII for some inexplicable reason, and those people certainly
wouldn't be interested in playing old-school emulated games with their sub-amazing
graphics. I'm not saying that emulation has had absolutely no effect on RPG
popularity, but I would suggest that the opposite is much more likely to be true;
emulation has been made MORE popular by those fans of new-age RPGs that
actually do want to see where the games came from (i.e. those not in the group
described above).
If I haven't lost you yet, I would agree with you 100%, though, that Nintendo's
"revolutionary" plans are being implemented to help combat the practice of illegal
emulation. If these plans actually do end up coming to fruition, then I think this
would provide at least old-school Nintendo gamers with a really great opportunity,
and one that isn't treading on legally thin ice.
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People spout about how Nintendo Revolution will do this or that, but at the
moment its pure marketing fluff, and what exactly are their plans for the
American market is still to be heard. I know people seem to be adamant over
Nintendo’s future plans, but they aren’t set in stone and can easily change.
I hope we get to see some good old school SNES RPGs be released through
the Revolution here in the States, but I’m not holding my breath. Console
after console has thought me not to trust marketing hype.
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Matt
Fair enough, though I think it would be suicidal for Nintendo to disappoint at
this point. Their showing at E3 last year wasn't taken too well, all in all, thanks
to the general lack of Revolution details. It is, of course, widely suspected that
out of the next-gen consoles, the Revolution will be the inferior one as far as
sheer power is concerned. If this is true, and if Nintendo were to claw back its
earlier promises on top of that, there really wouldn't be a whole lot going for it
besides its weird controller, the success of which is certainly already up for
debate.
I'm with you though; promises from console-producing companies have disappointed
many times in the past. If Nintendo doesn't deliver, you'll be hearing utter rage
from me in this column, that's for sure.
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Anyway I can understand people’s adverse reaction toward emulation, but it
is thanks to those hard working people that we got play such great games.
Emulation isn’t something to demonize. It has viable legal reasons to
exist. What other way can I play my old beatup copy of Super Mario Bros 3.
I have full legal rights to play a digital back up copy of Super Mario Bros.
3. It is not illegal to own or create an emulator. It is illegal to own a
digital copy of a un-purchased product. This means I can buy a SNES Tale of
Phantasia cart, download a digital back up copy, apply a translation patch,
play it using an emulator, and this will all be considered legal. This is
exactly what I did during my high school years. I do the same thing with
PSX emulation. I have full legal rights to make a back-up copy of my old
psx rpgs, and play them on my computer. I must confess that SNES games that
I can not get a hold of I have downloaded them. I have to confess that I
have a huge library of PC- Engine roms and Neo Geo Roms. Yet you tell me
how I can get a hold of most of those games. If there was a legal way to
download them I would do it.
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Matt
It's a tough situation, for sure, though the "honour system" will never work.
People are too greedy to only emulate for backup purposes; I know that as well as
you do.
Also, there are other ways to obtain old games, though they are sometimes
expensive; eBay is usually great for such things, if you're into that sort of thing.
Unfortunately, that's not always adequate either. In a lot of ways, I can
understand why pro-emulation-people would be upset that they can't download games
that aren't even being produced or sold anymore in any form. Perhaps some laws could
stand to change, you know? Perhaps, say, when a video game producer goes out of
business, some legal strings could be loosened; perhaps at some point, a company could
release permission to distribute ROMs of games that they never plan on making money
off of again.
I don't know enough to know all of the options, but I think that there
is a possible middleground that hasn't really been explored yet. Is that reasonable?
I really can't say for sure.
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Now, don’t get me wrong; I don’t support downloading domestic or import
games of this generation or the last. Those games can be attained legally
and easily. I would love to be able to buy old SNES RPGs and have them
digitally distributed. If Nintendo actually follows through with their
plans I will be the first one in line to buy and download their games.
Until then, I’ll stick with my emulation.
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Matt
I really hope they do follow through; as I say, I can't imagine that they
wouldn't in some form, though I worry from time to time that there may be
strings attached, somehow. Will the entire NES library be up for grabs, for instance?
Or, will only games produced by Nintendo be available? The latter, unfortunately,
seems like it could be likely...
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Some people may think that emulation is just plain wrong. I can’t change
your minds if you think that way. Do you people really think that for every
fighting game I download for my Neo Geo emulator, SNK (or Playmore) will
lose a sell of king of fighters 96. BTW, I own the console ports of many
SNK games, I even own an Arcade cabinet of KOF ’96. Yet, how many people
can actually go buy a now defunct arcade cabinet of a 10 year old arcade
game. SNK makes no profit from the sales of those arcade cabinets that you
see in Ebay, so who exactly am I cheating money out of.
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Matt
Yes yes... growing sleepy. You have made your point. I don't think that
emulation-fans are spawns of the devil or have murderous tendencies or anything
like that; I just have the same view towards it as I do towards, say, downloading
movies on the internet. A lot of people do it, but it doesn't make it right.
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Take this train of thought. Imagine 10 years from now. Sony decided not to
do any backwards capability on any of their new consoles. You’re 13 years
old and you’ve never played FFVII. Sony doesn’t sell the game anymore and
they don’t sell the consoles that play the game anymore either. As a
consumer do you think you are allowed to get yourself a downloaded copy of
FF7 and play it on a psx emulator? Do you think it’s wrong to go down that
path? This is the exact situation that is occurring now with Neo geo,
turbo-grafix, and SNES. Now if sony decided to re-release ff7 on their new
console, we as law-abiding consumers are obligated to purchase this now
legal and officially distributed version. Luckily for Sony, they decided to
keep backwards capability. Their reason to do so have more to do with
cutting down illegal distribution of their products than with baiting
consumers with the idea that they aren’t losing their money by switching to
a new console.
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Matt
I'd say that your example isn't the best one, considering that FFVII is one
of the best selling games in the history of video-gaming (forget RPGaming) while
the Neo-Geo and Turbo Grafx 16 were mere blips on the radar. Man, I remember
playing my Grade 4 Teacher's TG16, though... Mrs. Brown brought it in randomly
so that we could sign up and play during recess if we wanted to. The games,
unfortunately, were all quite ungood.
*end random memory*
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I know you can come back with the point that it doesn’t matter, it’s still
illegal. Well you’re right. If you want to be anal about, then sure it is
illegal. Try explaining that to a 13 year old kid wanting to play Star
Ocean for the SNES. Are you going to tell him, no sonny, you can’t download
that digital copy of Star Ocean, until Nintendo get’s off their ass and
re-releases it for the new console? What if Nintendo doesn’t, then what?
People seem to think that they can look down at emulation, since Nintendo
has expressed their plans for re-releasing old SNES games. Well, that
wasn’t case back in the late 90s. Nintendo had no plans of doing such a
thing. Anybody who looks down at emulation needs to reflect back what
emulation did for the RPG community. Think back really hard, and then
re-evaluate your thoughts. It may have been illegal, but it taught console
companies that gamers still love their old games and that they truly want a
legal and easy way to play them.
Sorry for my ranting.
---Byrc
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Matt
Come now, play fair; just because Nintendo had no plans for releasing old games TEN YEARS ago
doesn't mean that they can't change. Did Microsoft have plans to release a video
game system ten years ago? Doubtful. Did Sony plan on releasing a portable game
system to compete head-to-head against the Nintendo monopoly ten years ago? Ha!
The past actions of a company by no means condemn them to a set path forevermore.
In any case, I'm glad you took the enormous amount of time to write in, because
you obviously have a very passionate opinion on the subject. Certainly, I understand
your frustration, and I can't say that I'm entirely unfrustrated myself. All I can
say is that I am optimistic for the future; whether or not it will turn out
the way we want it to is out of our hands.
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You have sparked the nerd in me. Dammit, man. I try to keep that in the closet,
next to the skeletons and mental images of people I'd enjoy eating.
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Matt
And who, might I ask, do you think looks most nutritious? Say, between a few
random individuals: If you had to eat one of Meredith Vieira, Anderson Cooper,
Paula Abdul, or Montel Williams, who would you choose?
*blink blink*
This tangent is way too weird and disturbing to continue along, so let's move
back to your letter before Mothers Against Cannibalism members begin writing in
with fervour.
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Anyway, in reference to your Star Ocean dilemma, your special-ed AI, and I don't
mean that in any derogatory sense, but in the sense that what they need is a
little bit of special education. Doesn't take a retard to figure it out, but
I'm a nice guy, so I'll give you the run down. First, let me ask if you ever
tried playing as any of the other characters? So of them were really fun, and
by that, I mean so so cheap. I was a killing machine in that game; Albel was a
good one (MP kills like it's nothing to it), the blonde dude (sure, I could look
their names up, but so could you...f*** it), the girl knight is a rabid beast...I
could go on...perhaps I will someday...this little reminiscence has made me want
to go back and beat it, since I quit when the end got spoiled...that really is a
shitty way to end a game...shame on them for that.
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Matt
But but, but but, BUT I did! I have communistic tendencies while playing any
RPG, and SO3 was absolutely no exception. Every single character was fairly powerful
by the end of the game, and they WERE killing machines, as long as I was the
one controlling them. For some reason, Fayt would refuse to use anything but
really weak, stupid spells while being controlled by AI, no matter which tactic I
set him on. On the other hand, he was destructOR extraordinaire if I was
doing the controlling myself.
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But the battle system deserves to be intensely enjoyed. There is a system, just
takes figuring out. Anyway, I digress. What you need to do is play as the
other characters, and get them a move set that chains easily. Fool around with
them until they kick ass, basically. Not all characters are equal, as I'm sure
you know, and some do, to be blunt, suck. Once you do that, just fight as them
for a bit. It seems that you can train the AI and tune it to your play style by
using the different characters in battle. Be sure to switch if you're main
character starts to take a lot of damage... he does seem to get dumb sometimes...
but once you are back to controlling him and have a team that can actually fend
for themselves... that's when the real fun starts...
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Matt
Belieeeeve me, pleeeease...! I did everything you said; I swear on my guinea
pig's grave... and I loved my poor little Moe. The day she died, I was heartbroken.
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Seems like I might need to catch up on that Battle System a little, and try to
use my words better next time.
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Matt
I'm still not sure I approached it correctly, somehow... it would be interesting
to play it through again one day, perhaps distributing SP differently. That day
isn't coming anytime soon, though.
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Anyway, a question... speaking of Battle Systems... what do you think some of
the better ones are?
For active battles I like:
Star Ocean 2, 3. With this series as well as Grandia, I've enjoyed how the
respective systems have evolved thru each itteration of the series. They keep
managing to be fun and engaging experiences, while giving something new and
fresh.
Grandia 1 and 2, and really looking forward to 3. Today's the day. I'm feeling
kind of excited. My nerd is exposed and twitching.
Zelda OOT and WindWaker, assuming we've resolved that those are, in fact, RPGs
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Matt
I'm not usually a big fan of active systems; I guess my favourites
would have to be those found in Secret of Mana or Secret of Evermore. I just find
that they are more chaotic and less strategic than their turn-based counterparts.
SO2's wasn't too bad, I suppose.
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I liked Chrono Trigger (turn-based) because of the Double and Triple Techs and
also because there were no random battles. Same with Secret of Mana. I enjoyed
the magic systems in both of those games as well, even if they were very
linear...
Ok... I think I could go on, but one more for now. Skies of Arcadia... I
absolutely loved the airship battles, and even tho the turn-based group battles
were slow and happened so often, I still remember enjoying most every fight.
Plus, it never got too easy, and I do appreciate a good challenge...
So, that's about it...
and please don't censor my email unless you absolutely have to,
Sincerely,
My Nerd Named Streezus
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Matt
I almost never censor e-mails, and I don't even know circumstances that I'd have
to, unless someone happened to write in with an R-rated word or two. Er, what!? You
actually used one in the first paragraph, O Cheeky One. *edits*
Anyway, as far as turn-based RPGs go, I've always loved the strategic simplicity
of Dragon Quest, and the ATB era of Final Fantasy. One of my favourite turn-based
battle systems, though, is one that isn't often mentioned: Breath of Fire: Dragon
Quarter had a wonderful turn-based battle system that blurred the line between
tactical RPGs and, well, "everyday" RPGs, I guess you could say. I thought it was
well done, anyway, and there was certainly no lack of challenge or strategy involved!
Thanks, Streezus! Your letter is most appreciated.
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Pork: The other right wing
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Hey Matt,
Political commentary in DQ VIII? Well...one of the
first monsters I recruited to fight for me was a
leaping, axe-weilding moron named Bush W.(but I
suppose that could have stood for bushwhacker).
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Matt
Oh yeaaaah, I definitely forgot to mention that, didn't I? Indeed, I found
Mr. Bush W., and the fact that it stands for bushwhacker doesn't take anything
away from the choice of arrangement of letters. It's clearly obvious that they
chose "Bush W." purposefully, since it's not as if "Bushwhacker" would have been
too long to fit in the window or anything like that. Given that there are other
political jokes in a couple of other places,
I'd bet my bottom dollar that your headhunting "axe-wielding moron" was named
with a certain American president in mind. Good eye. :)
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Worst RPG ever? This one is hard since there are so
many truly awful games out there. Arc the Lad 3 and
Twilight of the Spirits come to mind right away as
does FFX-2, but there are many others.
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Matt
Huh, I've never heard of the middle one, I have to admit. Final Fantasy X-2,
though? Really? Sure, it was a hideous bastardization of the FFX name, but
the game was strong nonetheless in many ways, with great visuals, decent music,
and a killer battle system. So, I'd disagree with you cheerfully there.
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Anyway. Someone in some letter mentioned Soul Blazer
and I was reminded of how I beat the last boss.
Before I fought the boss, I exploited the cheapest
leveling tactic in any rpg ever in the final dungeon.
I can't remember the specifics but I know it had
something to do with an object that kept respawning
after I destroyed it. I also remember that this game
had a really high limit on how strong it let you
become. Eventually I discovered that I was easily 10
times stronger than the second form of the final boss
(I defeated the first boss in personal record time of
1.8 sec). My question is: Does anyone else have game
that sticks out in the mind because of an easy final
boss or an easily exploitable game mechanic?
Cap
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Matt
Good question! I guess it depends on what you want to include; where does
"you being strong" turn into "exploiting game mechanics"? This is especially true
for RPGs, I think; for a prime example, think of using Mime materia with the strongest
summon we all know in a certain popular game. It's cheap, sure, and technically, it's
exploiting a game mechanic. I don't think that counts, though.
The first "cheapo" thing I can think of occurs in Dragon Warrior 2, where the
item shop owners can randomly give you a lottery ticket if you buy enough items. After
obtaining a very large sum of money, and without anything left to do with it, I
would go to the local shop and buy as many herbs as I could carry, just to obtain
Lottery Tickets, since I think you could win MP-restoring Wizard's Rings by playing
the lottery.
Can anyone think of any better examples? Oh, WAIT! There's one VERY obvious
one that Square really overlooked: In Final Fantasy VIII, if your HP is low, then
there is a chance of getting a limit break, as most of you know. The fact that
you can just keep pressing the "pass your turn" button until the limit break option
appears is, in my opinion, something that Square shouldn't have allowed... it's
really kind of stupid and artificial if you think about it. THAT is a much better
example.
Thanks for the great question, Cap! Do write in again.
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Must be nice, getting PRESENTS for V-Day...
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Yeah, I know Grandia III is shipping, but I really just want to know
one thing. What's wrong with my Growlanser Generations discs? My PS2
works fine with every other game I own, but it freezes everything
Growlanser 2 or 3 loads. One of you must have broken it, but who?
Who did it???
I was really looking forward to playing this...oh well. I just hope
my wife bought me Grandia III.
- Macstorm
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Matt
Bah... yet another example of Sony crapmanship, if you ask me. That said, if all
of your other games work, maybe it is just the disc. Is it free from scratches,
cracks, fingerprints, and dust? Is it fully intact? I'm guessing so, but you
never know.
Also, I've found that there are a few "unstable" games out there. Star Ocean: Till
the End of Time behaved very badly while I was playing it; it froze up on a few
occasions, and so did Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana when I played it last fall. I guess
these are mechanical issues that SHOULD be addressed before a game's release; it
seems like stupid marketing to release something that glitchy.
Hopefully you find a way to play your game somehow! If not, at least you can
enjoy your new one. :)
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hi please could u tell me where i get fire arrows form on zelda ocarins of time
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Matt
Ocarins of time? I'm unfamiliar. If, though, you're referring to the N64
hit "The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time", then I'm afraid you've wasted
your finger-juice by typing me that e-mail. This is a place for debatable
debatables, not easy-to-look-up RPG specifics. Heck, some would debate the
RPGness of Zelda in the first place! Next time, write in about the social
implications of Fire Arrows or something.
Good luck on your quest in the meantime.
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Kanato: Keeping me in check, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
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Question #73 was:
In the upcoming movie, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the English voice
actor for Sephiroth also was once part of a well known band. The name of the
band, roughly translated, means what?
The answer for 30 points was "c - in harmony and in time," but it turns out
Sephiroth is being played by George Newbern not Lance Bass, witch makes the
correct answer was "e - none of the above." I'm not suggesting you start taking
SOCK points away from people, I just though I'd point it out.
~Kanato
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Matt
Mannn... you caught me in my own web of disaster! Firstly, that was somebody
else's submitted question, so it's actually their fault. I don't remember who it
was, and maybe I should, but I point the finger at them!
I noticed it when the voice cast went up in a recent news update, so I was a
bit worried one of you would catch it. I'd give everyone who guessed it wrong 30
extra points if they felt that passionately about it, but it's not like your answers
from two months ago still exist in my mailbox. All I can do now is beg for your forgiveness...
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IN CONCLUSION:
Lately, I've been grimacing when I look up and right from my computer screen to the wall behind it. That
is where my Albert Einstein picture hangs; you know, the one with his tongue sticking out? I feel like whenever
I face a misfortune, he's poking fun of me from the great beyond, wherever that might be. I'll get you,
Albert Einstein.

Sock time!
#115 was a cute question that most of you got right; the confectionlike character is b) Quistis, since by
altering her last name, Trepe, by a single letter, you can obtain the delicious crepe, which is especially good
with peaches and whipped cream. 105 points for ça.
#116 was a question posed by Rexy; for those of you Katamari fans, a) The Prince's buddy is not a
miniature version of himself, so those of you that guessed correctly got 85 points while Rexy scored 170.
Question #117:
What is the first name of the person whose letter was featured first in yesterday's column? (95 points)
a) Judith
b) Danielle
c) Annette
d) Diane
e) Matt
Question #118:
Ask KnightTrain!-->At one point during Lunar: Silver Star Story, Jessica
makes a necklace out of clay. What does Kyle claim the necklace
looks like? (80 points)
a) an intrauterine device
b) a donut
c) animal feces
d) a sausage link
e) his unmentionables
Things to work for (the SOCK item shop!):
800 points: Tilde (infinite number remaining!)
2,000 points: Guest-co-host Opportunity #2 (4 remaining!)
5,000 points: Guest-co-host Opportunity #3 (5 remaining!)
Are you willing to add to this giant conversation about the merits of emulation?
Can you think of any "cheapo" ways to exploit RPG mechanics that I may have missed?
Do you have a philosophical perspective to share about the merits of fire arrows?
Failing any of those... how about those Mother 3 screens? Is the sequel finally taking shape?
SO many questions! I'd love to try and answer them all, but to do that, you need to write in!
Until next time...

***Matt set a new crunch-record today!
A set of sixty followed by a set of fifty-five. Now that's some ab-burnage! Yow!
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6. Bainick 1,746 pts
7. MagRowan 1,726 pts
8. Arros Raikou 1,478 pts
9. Belthasar2 1,298 pts
9. Dermot 1,298 pts
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