Rob Hamilton - September 15 '01- 2:00 Eastern Standard Time|
Not content with my previous "Mob of Sages" column, I have decided to break the grounds of all that is reasonable, and call in more guest hosts than you can shake a Stardust Rod at. Here with me today are various people from the EsperNet IRC network who expressed an interest in guest-hosting
[23:51:07] <Chimerasame> Anything any of you would like to say about yourselves before we begin?
[23:51:20] <Nich> Nope.
[23:51:25] <GauHelldragon> *whimper*
[23:51:32] <xeria> Suikobaben.
[23:51:33] <Khaos> I like bubblegum.
[23:51:58] <GauHelldragon> i'm hungry :\
[23:52:24] <badtz-maru> cheese
[23:52:31] <Chimerasame> No doggie treat until after the column, you know what we said.
[23:52:46] <GauHelldragon> :\
[23:52:49] <TomServo> So what's going on again?
[23:52:52] <Lucca> No scooby snacks for you!
[23:53:01] * Lucca is now known as Scooby-Snack-Nazi
[23:53:05] * TomServo breaks out the dooby snacks instead
[23:53:10] * Khaos laughs
Are import games (RPGs especially) in Hiragana, Katakana, or what? Even if you don't print this, I'd love a reply. Thanks,
[23:55:16] <badtz-maru> heheh
[23:55:18] <xeria> All three.
[23:55:21] <badtz-maru> it's in everything, baby
[23:55:25] <GauHelldragon> OH GOD THAT POOR CAT ;-; ;-;
[23:55:28] <Lucca> Yep, all 3.
[23:55:28] <badtz-maru> and toss kanji in there
[23:55:29] <xeria> I know. I tried to translate Suikogaiden once. :(
[23:55:30] <Lucca> MEOW
[23:55:47] <Chimerasame> the much older ones lack Kanji, but like anything in the Japanese language, recent ones do contain all three, yes.
[23:56:11] <Nich> Usually in a mixture of all three, which is actually good because all-hiragana games are more difficult to translate. With a kanji dictionary, you can get by the essential concepts a lot better than you can with a stream of straight mora.
[23:56:24] <xeria> Yea, what Nich said.
[23:56:27] <badtz-maru> Well, of course it'd have to be a mixture
[23:56:30] <TomServo> I'd say that the games are in "what".... mostly because I have no idea "what" is going on or "what" is being said.
[23:56:30] * Lucca nods.
[23:56:32] <Tenchu-Chu> Also, a lot of non-RPG games use English in the menus.
[23:56:41] <badtz-maru> kanji speeds up reading compared to just hiragana, if you know it
[23:56:44] <TomServo> I also have no idea "what" items I've got. ^^;
[23:56:56] <badtz-maru> since kanji are single characters expressing full words or ideas
[23:57:03] <badtz-maru> as opposed to phonetic hiragana
[23:57:00] <Tenchu-Chu> Especially Xenosaga, which is entirely in English. We recommend you purchase a Japanese PlayStation 2 and an import copy of Xenosaga since there's no reason to wait for the US release when the game's already in English.
[23:57:31] <Khaos> No, I didn't forget that.
[23:57:32] <Chimerasame> Well, there's the matter of paying for the Japanese PS2, of course
[23:57:52] <Nich> It's also easier (for me) to associate kanji with meaning ... study a few variations on the Japanese counting system and you'll see what I mean. "One" is always "one" whether it's pronounced hitotsu or ippon or ichi or whatever.
[23:58:10] * Lucca nods to Nich
[23:58:12] <TomServo> what is this "pa-ying"? Some kinda new otaku-approved snack food or something?
Konnichiwa Zach und Google,
I know rumors get swashed back and forth alot these days. But In my dreams I have seen Final Fantasy and Crono Trigger on GBA. Are my dreams trying to say that Nintendo and Square are shaking hands and resolving their differences?
[23:59:20] <xeria> Dreams are bad things. I know. :(
[23:59:20] <badtz-maru> not if yamauchi has anything to say about it, man
[23:59:21] <TomServo> No, your dreams are saying that you need to get out more.
[23:59:34] <Lucca> Dreams are not real, and neither is that.
[23:59:46] <TomServo> Nintendo has some serious apologizing to do after they called FF7 boring... then claimed that Zelda Toot was a better game.
[23:59:49] <Nich> In reality, Square just announced a couple new games for the WonderSwan Color. What your dreams mean, I don't know. Study your Freud (or Jung, if you prefer).
[23:59:49] <badtz-maru> well, it's possible that nintendo may one day forgive square
[00:00:04] <badtz-maru> and that they might be willing to work together
[00:00:04] <Chimerasame> Unlike most of the network, Zach and Google aren't here tonight. And aren't you mixing languages?
[00:00:06] <Khaos> I just shook the magic meatball and it's telling me, "All signs point to NO CHANCE."
[00:00:11] <Lucca> In 2101 Zero Wing will come out on the Sony Playstation 900.
[00:00:14] <badtz-maru> but in all honesty, that's a pretty long shot
[00:00:27] <Tenchu-Chu> While Hiroshi Yamauchi is often one-dimensionally portrayed by Western gaming outlets as a raving madman, he's a shrewd businessman that will do what's best for Nintendo. It's certainly probably - even likely - that Square will be publishing GameCube or GBA games in the future, especially since with recent financial troubles Square needs the cash.
[00:00:46] <badtz-maru> *coughffmoviecough*
[00:00:51] <flamedrake> Your dreams indicate that you have lost grip on the reality that is Nintendo's president. Have a nice day. :)
[00:01:10] <badtz-maru> But seriously, bottom line, don't hold your breath
[00:01:52] <Tenchu-Chu> Bottom line: I bet most you of people wouldn't have predicted the Resident Evil series becoming a GameCube exclusive. Nothing is a sure bet these days. Sony fanboys shouldn't count their chickens before they've hatched.
[00:02:24] <badtz-maru> well, it's not impossible, it just won't happen any time soon, likely
[00:02:31] <GauHelldragon> nobody said anything about there being chickens here
[00:02:36] <Nich> I think it also depends a lot on whether Square officially signs onto the GameCube development program.
[00:02:43] <badtz-maru> besides, square isn't the end-all be-all of RPGs
[00:02:44] <TomServo> I go where the games go. I'm gonna hafta have a GC or I'll go nuts from no zombies to kill. Right, Boo? </Largo>
[00:02:55] <Nich> The GBA is easy money, but Nintendo is really hungry for third-party GC games. If Square promises to do the one, I bet we'll see ports on the other.
[00:03:16] <TomServo> What IS the be-all and end-all of RPGs? I say Black Isle.
[00:03:17] <Chimerasame> If the rule of threes continues, that would seem to indicate Square will stay on the PS2 and finish FFXII, then move to another console, possibly GC. Of course, you'd have to believe in the rule of threes for that to work.
[00:03:23] <Khaos> GO FOR THE BEER BOB!
[00:03:39] <GauHelldragon> ¬_¬
Nightmare-land... wait, Suikoden III isn't a nightmare!
Hey Chimera, just thought i'd share some info on Suikoden.
Alright, as mentioned the 'Zekson' federation is actually Zexen, which is north of the Grasslands and West of Harmonia. The Grasslands are west of Tinto, and both areas fight constantly. The Grasslands is home to many tribes such as the Karaya, which was where Lucia from Suikoden II was from, and where Hugo is from in III [Almost a fact, but dont trust this 100%] . Also in the Grasslands are the Free Knights of Camaro, which Georg was a member of, as well as Camus.
The 4th character will most likely be 'you' . As he is seen with his back turned to the 3 colored people in the main artwork pic, he's the Fire Hero, the holder of the True Fire rune. He probably participates more behind the scenes, which is why his back is turned.
Hmm what else might people want to know... nope that's all i can say before i start making things up.
[00:04:50] <badtz-maru> Well, that's a pretty good bet that you'd be the 4th character
[00:05:03] <Nich> I think the fact that the fourth character wasn't named means he is the traditional "you" hero in Suikoden games. Although that doesn't rule out a very specific history for him, as the heroes of both 1 and 2 were children of famous warriors.
[00:05:04] * Lucca nods.
[00:05:06] <badtz-maru> I get this from the Suik3 art update at GIA
[00:05:08] <Tenchu-Chu> It's confirmed that you're the 4th character. He's captioned "Hero".
[00:05:12] <TomServo> Yeah, otherwise you'll have a game that's all movie sequences, and we couldn't have that. Right?
[00:05:21] <xeria> May I just say that I, for one, am anxiously awaiting Suikoden 3.
[00:05:34] <Khaos> Umm... isn't it supposed to be a question?
[00:05:48] <TomServo> I'll take Anal Bum Covers for $100, Alex.
[00:06:00] <Lucca> It EVILly managed to avoid being a question.
[00:06:15] <badtz-maru> yes, that it did
[00:06:41] <Chimerasame> A lot of the questions in this column don't have questions, you get used to it.
[00:06:57] <badtz-maru> Oh, I'm sure there're lots without questions
[00:06:58] <TomServo> So then how do you do Q&A?
[00:07:17] <Chimerasame> I'm not really sure most of the time!
[00:07:12] <badtz-maru> but we still respond and give opinions about letters, right?
[00:07:15] <badtz-maru> that's the main thing
[00:06:18] <xeria> Hey *I* have a question about Suikoden. How come on all the Japanese sites McDohl is called Bottchan or whatever?
[00:06:37] <Nich> Xeria, bottchan is honorific polite Japanese for "son."
[00:05:49] <Chimerasame> Personally, I preferred McDohl to the completely nameless one, it makes referring to him simpler.
[00:06:19] <Tenchu-Chu> McDohl was essentially completely nameless in the original game.
[00:07:12] <Tenchu-Chu> He was "____ McDohl", but whatever you put in his for first name (the "____") was what he was listed as in status screens ... he didn't become "McDohl" in the status screen until Suikoden II
[00:07:35] <badtz-maru> and may I say that gremio is gay
[00:07:40] <badtz-maru> ahahahahah I kid
[00:07:39] * Tenchu-Chu would assume that "bottchan" is the Japanese equivalent of "Young Master", then ... which is what everyone called McDohl before Suikoden II was out.
[00:07:54] <Nich> Yeah, Young Master is probably a pretty decent translation of the term.
[00:08:16] <Chimerasame> True, but for purposes outside the game, McDohl can be referred to as McDohl, whereas the hero of Suikoden II can be referred to as... the Hero of Suikoden II.
[00:08:32] <flamedrake> Thanks for clearing that up, chim
[00:08:43] <Chimerasame> No problem, FD!
[00:09:02] <flamedrake> "A and B can be considered A and B because A is A and B is B."
[00:08:27] <Nich> Well, I've also seen him called Genkaku's Son.
[00:08:54] <Nich> Which is still wordy, but easier than "the Hero of Suikoden II"
[00:09:06] * Chimerasame nods.
[00:09:09] <Tenchu-Chu> I'm disappointed that Mukumuku isn't the hero of Suikoden III :(
[00:09:14] <badtz-maru> so, anyway... it's confirmed that the 4th character is you, the hero of suikoden
I have a humble Xenogears plot question for you.
How is it that the desert pirates just happen to have a gear Citan is very adept at using? Did he use Heimdal at a past time, or was it luck, clean and pure?
[00:11:07] <TomServo> Plot contrivance. NEXT!
[00:11:18] <Chimerasame> Citan is just that cool.
[00:11:19] <badtz-maru> it's a plot hole you can drive a mac truck through!
[00:11:20] <Nich> I don't know if luck exists in the Xenogears universe. It seems to be driven heavily by fate.
[00:11:29] <Khaos> Hmm.. I never played XG yet... *hides from this one*
[00:11:29] <Chu-Chu> Nich: And nanotechnology!
[00:11:40] <GauHelldragon> but i shouldn't go into it
[00:11:42] <badtz-maru> actually I just look at that as a sorta power rangers sentai-style dealie
[00:11:43] <badtz-maru> you know
[00:11:49] <badtz-maru> how they _always_ know how to pilot it
[00:11:50] <Nich> Well, right, and nanotech.
[00:11:50] <Chu-Chu> Seriously, Citan used to be an Element; presumably he has a lot of experience piloting Gears.
[00:11:56] <Lucca> Citan can pilot ANY gear. MWAHAHAHAHAHA
[00:11:59] <TomServo> I don't know why people try to make sense of Neon Genesis Xenogears... it makes my brain hurt.
[00:12:07] <Chu-Chu> And the Gear controls can't be that different -- Elly can also pilot Vierge right off the bat, etc.
[00:12:09] <badtz-maru> but yeah, and considering fenrir is based on heimdall
[00:12:22] <flamedrake> Debating plot points in Xenogears is kinda moot
[00:12:42] <xeria> i hate my isp
[00:12:56] <flamedrake> Xer had the best answer
[00:12:57] <Chu-Chu> Er, why's that, flamedrake?
[00:13:02] <TomServo> I hate your ISP too, xer.
[00:13:14] <flamedrake> Because it makes little sense if you think about it ;)
[00:13:31] <Chu-Chu> Really? Xenogears has one of the most thought-out stories I've seen in a game. Pretty much everything has an explanation if you dig deep enough.
[00:13:56] <Chimerasame> It does have plot holes, though. How did the gears continue to work with no anima/animus?
[00:14:08] <badtz-maru> they worked without it before
[00:14:15] <TomServo> Batteries.
[00:14:18] <TomServo> They keep going and going.
[00:14:16] <Chu-Chu> Old Man Bal rebuilt them with nanotechnology.
[00:14:17] <badtz-maru> anima just made them better
[00:14:29] <Khaos> 4 2D batteries
[00:14:36] <badtz-maru> gears are the animus
[00:14:41] <Chu-Chu> If you talk to the gear mechanics in the Yggdrasil at the end of Disc 2, they say that Bal reconstructed the Omnigears with nanotech.
[00:14:45] <Nich> Yeah, that's the beauty of Xenogears. It's very tightly plotted and well, if it isn't, then nanotechnology.
Running gag is getting tired
I KNOW YOU LIKE CHRISTINA AGUILERA. DONT TRY TO DENY IT!
[00:15:32] <xeria> Ew, no.
[00:15:35] <Khaos> ACK, HIDE ME FROM THE EVIL SHE-DEAMON!
[00:15:40] <xeria> Well...she's better than Britney Spears, I guess.
[00:15:44] <Chimerasame> That's not a question either.
[00:15:49] <TomServo> Just ask Carson Daly.
[00:15:53] <badtz-maru> really I have no preference
[00:15:56] <badtz-maru> they're both evil
[00:15:57] * Khaos hides behind a large rock
Chemistry? Why not Chimistry!
Yeah, it's been a while since I wrote but I never had a real question
(and AP Chemistry is starting to become more time then its worth...), but
anyhow I've been havling trouble for 'bout a month now. Not with video
games, but with something related to your site- IRC. Mine won't sign on, no
matter what screen name I go under. I have the same port and server I've
always used, and same names, but for some darn reason it just isn't working.
Could you please help me with this?
[00:18:07] <TomServo> www.mirc.com
[00:18:08] <TomServo> NEXT
[00:18:24] <badtz-maru> just try irc.esper.net
[00:18:32] <badtz-maru> or, if you'd prefer a specific server
[00:18:38] <badtz-maru> www.esper.net has a list
[00:18:40] <Chimerasame> What error message have you been getting? It's possible you've been caught in somebody else's k-line... then again, it's also possible your computer just has routing issues with EsperNet.
[00:19:00] <badtz-maru> do you have firewall or proxy? you might need to configure them
[00:19:19] <flamedrake> Since we're answering these questions on the same IRC server, it's gotta be a problem at your end, heh
[00:19:26] <badtz-maru> I use ZoneAlarm, personally
[00:19:32] <badtz-maru> it does a good job
[00:19:35] <badtz-maru> and it's easy to set up
[00:19:46] <Khaos> ZoneAlarm?
[00:19:47] <badtz-maru> but you have to set up which irc servers to connect to
[00:19:49] <flamedrake> Anyway, try a bunch of different servers
[00:19:54] <Chimerasame> You can find a list of all the Esper servers at www.esper.net, perhaps trying different ones could help. If not, mail me back later.
[00:20:18] <flamedrake> dream.esper.net, cosmos.esper.net, weyr.esper.net, chocobo.esper.net, damocles.esper.net, and so on
[00:19:56] <badtz-maru> yeah
[00:19:59] <xeria> Or, Miss Cleo might have personally hacked into your system, and changed all your routers around. I'd be sure to check that out.
[00:20:11] <xeria> She's a wily one, she is.
[00:20:14] <badtz-maru> miss cleo only meddles with people who call her
[00:20:22] <badtz-maru> so you can rule her out
[00:20:27] <xeria> BUT
[00:20:31] <xeria> What if Xenochick called her?
[00:20:37] <xeria> What then, fellow man?
[00:20:38] <badtz-maru> ...interesting
[00:20:45] <badtz-maru> I would like to subscribe to your book, xeria
[00:20:58] <badtz-maru> anyway
[00:20:59] <xeria> Sure thing. Just send me fifty bucks and I'll get back to you
Hi there! I just got some good deals on some RPG's. Koudelka for $7.50,
Rhapsody for $15, and Advance Wars (so its not an RPG, but still a great
game) for $22. The best part is they were all brand new! Anyway, to the
purpose of this letter, I'd like to mention that the Parasite Eve movie has
been released on DVD in the US. Yesterday, Goog said its not out yet. Just
wanted to prove him wrong...and to inform all PE fans.
[00:21:36] <GauHelldragon> ooo
[00:21:37] <xeria> It sure has. And Rhapsody rules you, go play it right now.
[00:21:40] <GauHelldragon> that's a tough question
[00:21:41] <badtz-maru> If you have a URL to somewhere that distrbutes it
[00:21:46] <Chimerasame> ~We're the amazing pirates~
[00:21:51] <badtz-maru> that'd be a lot better than just letting us go by heresay
[00:21:51] <Chu-Chu> That's nice, dear. Have a cookie.
[00:21:53] <xeria> I thought ADV had the PE movie license.
[00:22:11] <Khaos> I thought Madonna had it still.
[00:22:30] <Nich> No, Madonna has the rights to a remake version, although it's been so long since there was any action on that project that I highly doubt it'll come together.
[00:22:48] <Khaos> Ahh, I just read that she had rights to it.
[00:22:50] <badtz-maru> http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/showreview.php3?ID=1316
[00:22:52] <Khaos> Never said the remake version.
[00:23:12] <xeria> Yep, ADV released it.
A real RPG question!
What do the element symbols in "Star Ocean: the Second Story" stand for? They're starting to bug me.
[00:24:49] <GauHelldragon> ahhh
[00:24:51] <TomServo> They stand for elements.
[00:24:51] <flamedrake> They stand for "BLARGH!!"
[00:24:55] <GauHelldragon> fire wind earth
[00:24:58] <GauHelldragon> lightning water
[00:25:03] <Chimerasame> Leeloo
[00:25:04] <GauHelldragon> light, dark
[00:25:05] <TomServo> Heart! GO PLANET!
[00:25:12] <badtz-maru> hey, you should be more specific
[00:25:17] <TomServo> ~Captain Planet, he's our hero... gonna take pollution down to ze-ro...~
[00:25:30] <badtz-maru> I think he wants to know what picture is what element
[00:25:31] <Khaos> With your powers combined, I'm Captain Planet!
[00:25:35] <GauHelldragon> well
[00:25:39] <Khaos> reminds me
[00:25:41] <Chimerasame> As many times as I've been called Chim-Chim, you'd think I'd watch some Speed Racer, but nope!
[00:25:41] <GauHelldragon> the basics are easy to figure out
[00:25:49] <badtz-maru> in that case, I suggest you check out the FAQs at RPGamer, if any, or at GameFAQs
[00:25:50] <GauHelldragon> the red fire looking icon is fire *duh*
[00:25:51] <Khaos> that computer head guy.. the va was Tim Curry
[00:26:04] <GauHelldragon> anyway
I preferred the Nu, personally.
Was there a reason for naming the chocobo in FFIX
"Bobby Corwen"?. The way the black mages kept saying
his name made me laugh my ass off.
[00:26:28] <Chimerasame> Mr. T?
[00:26:33] <badtz-maru> Why, yes
[00:26:35] <Chu-Chu> Bobby Corwen = Boco
[00:26:37] <badtz-maru> BObby COrwyn
[00:26:41] <badtz-maru> booo chuchu
[00:26:47] <Chu-Chu> sorry :)
[00:26:48] <badtz-maru> and boo me
[00:26:51] <badtz-maru> I typoed :(
[00:26:55] <Khaos> o.O
[00:26:57] <GauHelldragon> plus: bobby corwen was the assistant art dirrector of ff6
[00:26:58] <badtz-maru> oh well
[00:27:00] <xeria> Oh ho! Ever so clever!
[00:27:02] <badtz-maru> hey chim
[00:27:07] <Chimerasame> yeah?
[00:27:09] <badtz-maru> strike my answer from this q
[00:27:11] <badtz-maru> and put in
[00:27:19] <badtz-maru> Nookie is the right of every sentient being!
[00:27:21] <GauHelldragon> i think she also did some work in CC
[00:27:24] <GauHelldragon> but i'm not sure
[00:27:33] <badtz-maru> just put that last line in
[00:27:45] <Chimerasame> But I want to leave the answer in. Mwahahaha!
[00:28:00] <GauHelldragon> Ah ok
[00:28:01] <badtz-maru> well then don't put in the nookie line :\
[00:28:04] <badtz-maru> it loses its effect
[00:28:23] <GauHelldragon> To answer your previous question: the best song from valkyrie profile was track 8: Ray of darkness, ray of light
[00:28:25] <Chimerasame> But it gains so much more when they can see this whole conversation.
[00:28:25] <Lucca> No nookie foy YOU
[00:28:37] <Chimerasame> "Behind the scenes, uncensored sages!"
[00:28:43] <GauHelldragon> ew
Twenty-year-old Pilika? :o
Hey (monks sing) CHIM-ERA-SA-ME
I am wondering what you think of the Suikoden III info? Am I the only one who
thinks the oddest character is that duck wearing a football helmet? Also if
the game is going to be 15 years later. I got the feeling that Pilika might
be involved. Hopefully not as a horrible character.
[00:29:58] <Chimerasame> You know, if Pilika's in it, and she's 15 years older...
[00:30:03] <badtz-maru> duck in a football helmet?
[00:30:06] <badtz-maru> I'm so there.
[00:30:23] <Chimerasame> Prime material for Suikobaben, xeria!
[00:30:07] <xeria> If Pilika's involved, I'm sure she'll be a cute little 20 year old or something.
[00:30:13] <Chu-Chu> I don't care for the Suikoden series myself, but it definitely looks like something for Suikoden fans to get excited about.
[00:30:16] <Nich> So far, I'd have to say that the duck in the helmet is the oddest character, given that we've only seen four or five total and the rest are all human.
[00:30:29] <xeria> Unfortunately, everytime I'd see her in the game I'd think back to Suikoden 2. :/
[00:30:42] <xeria> She'll always be a little girl to me!
[00:30:45] <badtz-maru> "mmmmm pilik--- NO WRONG WRONG"
[00:30:45] <Chimerasame> Poor kid.
[00:30:49] <Khaos> I still need to play Suikoden 1+2
[00:30:59] <GauHelldragon> 3?
[00:31:04] <GauHelldragon> it's not out yet
[00:31:08] <Khaos> well I ment 1 AND 2
[00:31:12] <Khaos> not 1+2=3
[00:31:21] <GauHelldragon> but 1+2 DOES equal 3!
[00:31:26] <Nich> If Pilika is played true to her character, though, I suspect she won't be involved in any sort of war at all. I highly doubt she'd be one of the playable characters; stuff like what she went through is enough to make one a lifelong pacifist.
[00:31:38] <xeria> Yeah, that's pretty true.
[00:32:26] <Chimerasame> It is true, but as we know, pacifists can prove very instrumental in wars. 'Course, I'd doubt Pilika would become a strategist, so that analogy doesn't really carry.
[00:31:54] <xeria> I wonder if Flik and Viktor will return. You know they'd be ~50 by Suikoden 3...
[00:32:06] <GauHelldragon> oh baby
[00:32:30] <badtz-maru> Wow, it's the original fantastic 4 cartoon!
[00:32:45] <badtz-maru> hahah old magneto
[00:33:06] <Nich> I think it would be interesting if Flik and Viktor returned as nonplayable characters, but I do have to wonder at what point their presence becomes mere fan service.
[00:33:22] <GauHelldragon> yea
[00:33:26] <GauHelldragon> and nobody wants fan service
[00:33:35] <GauHelldragon> diiiissgusting!
[00:33:35] <Nich> Well, fans do.
[00:33:42] <GauHelldragon> oh who cares about the fans
[00:33:45] <xeria> Well I figure the way the series progresses, they'd both be dottering old men on the level of Max(Max!), so fanservice in its purest form would be moot, heh.